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amanda
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posted 04-06-2000 06:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Zach, I dislike the government very much. For reasons like the Census forms. they want to regulate what you say. You can't have these discussions in class because the government controls the school systems. i never said i hated all laws. i believe we should have laws but they shouldn't be so oppresive. as for emo, justin did introduce me. as for garrett, i have talked to him once and it had nothing to do with music. i downloaded a couple mp3's off billy's site and liked the music. is that so bad? i mean i could see your point if i like just listened to it because everyone was. how did you get into punk? an influence right? i can't change the fact that i don't like rap. i will admit i liked limp bizkit before they got popular. the venga boys was just a joke. i realize that it was the U.K. but, it just seems like the government is heading towards that way.

Chris, the masturbation thing is quite personal. i just don't think it's wrong to do it. when i said ignorant, i was wrong. Yes, wrong. i am usually wrong :]

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 06:12 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
DO YOU KNOW WHAT THE CENSUS FORMS DO? THEY PROVIDE FUNDING FOR THE COMMUNITY... I HATE GETTING MONEY TO MAKE OUR SCHOOLS AND TOWNS BETTER! AS FOR SCHOOL, I HAVE DISCUSSIONS ON ANY TOPIC I WANT ANY TIME I WANT. I DONT KNOW WHAT YOUR SCHOOL IS LIKE, BUT THEY DON'T REGULATE WHAT WE SAY. AS FOR PUNK, I PRETTY MUCH "DISCOVERED" IT ON MY OWN, MY FRIENDS LIKED GAY CHRISTIAN PSUEDO-PUNK, SO I HAD TO FIND COOL BANDS ON MY OWN.

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amanda
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posted 04-06-2000 06:13 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
have you ever read a census form? do you realize what they ask you? go read one and then reply.

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 06:21 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I have, I filled it out for my family.

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Anne
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posted 04-06-2000 06:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
[QUOTE]Originally posted by amanda:
[B]anne and i are the only ones actually going against abortion in this forum. (the only females)

Wait a second, I just want to say that I am pro-choice. I just don't agree with the words Moorpark Queer and Zach are choosing to use. Cheer her on and dandy are not words I would use.

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posted 04-06-2000 06:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
this was posted by Amanda:
I dislike our government so much...there are a lot of laws I disagree with. The law against voting at 18. It should be based on iq in my opinion. Anybody 18 or older can vote with or without a brain. I disagree with our school systems. The economy itself pisses me off.

Sorry I didn't have it in the usual bold, I couldn't help myself, I had to copy and paste it and then try to fix some of her grammar, I couldn't do it all though because I wanted to keep it close to the original and I don't have time to rephrase the whole thing...First of all my mom works for the govt. so these "I hate the govt." statements peeve me a little." As much as most of you hate to admit it (and myself included) the U.S. is one of the best places to live. I don't think you guys realzize just how lucky you are.

You want people to vote based on their IQ Amanda? People are born with their IQ meaning a 6 year old could have an IQ of 200. Does this mean they should get to vote? NO! They don't really have any idea what is going on at politics and they shouldn't have to. Just because somebody may not have a high IQ doesn't mean they shouldn't get to vote. They have their own values and opinions too.

Why does the economy piss you off? Our economy is going so well right now and I don't think it has ever been better. (Correct me if I'm wrong)

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Anne
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posted 04-06-2000 06:41 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Earlier you wanted to know how people who are pro-choice feel about the death penalty. I can't really say whether I am for it or not. I used to be for it but then I saw the movie Dead Man Walking and it got me thinking...

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 07:06 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Anne, this is not one of the best places to live, the whole world is horrible. The economy doing well? Do you mean a few people are getting rich? Capitalism is a cancer on the earth. Capitalism is a system that lets a few people own everything, and lets the priviledged few live at the expense of someone else. Thats so good! You have no objectivity? Your mom works for the goverment so therefore its good? I like your thinking (sarcasm). It irritates me when some people say they hate the government(amanda), but when people have good reason to do so, then why would you have a problem with it.

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tom
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posted 04-06-2000 07:39 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tom   Click Here to Email tom   AOL Instant Message tom   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I disagree with Zach and agree with Anne. I don't hate the US government really. I hate republicans. I don't like the way democrats sell-out to get votes but... they have to. If the democrats were as openly liberal as we are they would get NO votes. I think the US is probably the best place to live. Canada might be a little better but... it's cold. All laws may be "oppressive" but a great many of them are necessary. I disagree with the idea of getting rid of as many laws as possible... I'd like to see guns banned completely, for example. Sure, that is kinda oppressive but... I don't use guns so it doesn't affect me. Selfish? Maybe... but I value my life above the "rights" of hunters and psycho militia type people. I overheard something on some news show about the crime rate since Australia banned guns. The robbery and trespassing levels went up but violent crimes went way down. I think that's a good trade off. People say guns will still exist in the community.... sure... for a while... but we have to start sometime. Eventually there will be hardly any guns.

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posted 04-06-2000 08:22 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tom   Click Here to Email tom   AOL Instant Message tom   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Capitalism isn't that good but I can't think of anything better. Even Jello Biafra's idea of a maximum wage would be bad. Why? If there was a maximum wage people would stop inventing things and striving for new and better ways to do things because they wouldn't profit from it. I, personally, am quite content with my family's economic status and it doesn't make me very mad that some people live WAAYYY better than me. It does make me mad that some people live way worse than me but I think the best way to improve that is just by raising the standard of living over time instead of in some sort of communist revolution (which have always failed).

I know this sound very Republican but the reward of getting rich is what makes the world advance. You can't say advancement is bad because just look back a hundred years... the workers were oppressed as hell!

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amanda
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posted 04-06-2000 09:16 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree and disagree with both of you. I don't like what the government does but, I would rather live in the U.S. than any other country. I wouldn't call myself a democrat or a reblublican because I don't know what differs them in opinions. Not every law should be thrown to the side but, a lot of laws are oppressive. Plus, I agree with Tom, there are no need for guns.

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amanda
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posted 04-06-2000 09:17 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
P.S. What'd you think of that grammar, eh?

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 09:34 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Tom, you actually like the country? Side note: the English haven't had guns for a long time and their crime rate has gone way down... Guns aren't good, but taking them away is horribly oppressive. In the new society I'd like to see formed, guns wouldnt be banned, people just wouldn't need them, so they'd become like beta-max players. To me, if youre going to ban guns, also ban cars, cigarettes, shark attacks, and radiation. Those all kill people too. If guns were banned, people would still find a way to get them... the USA managed to get enough to revolt against England. The idea of getting rich is sickening, the idea of being socially better than someone because you have the right to more rectangles of cotton manufactured to represent actual gold bars. Isn't capitalism grand. Democrats in this country are just as bad as rebuplicans. Politics is a joke. The candidates just pander to the common demoninator. They don't want to help mankind, they want to make the United States stronger. We don't need a stronger United States; we need a stronger world. Communist societies have been plagued by horrible leadership. I'm not for communism in the convensional sense, but in some for or another. If you can't find something better than Capitalism, then create something better that can be applied in real life. Chances are some South American country will like it use it as a reason for another revolution.

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Anne
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posted 04-06-2000 09:51 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Like Tom said if we didn't live in a capitalist society there would be no more innovation or invention because there would be no entrepreneurship. Would you rather live in a socialist society where there is very little entrepreneurship and the govt. is very controlling? Or how about a communist state where there in no entrepreneurship and the govt. controls everything? Or how about anarchy so all hell can break loose, or maybe a dictatorship, or oligarchy, or maybe even a fascist state? Do any of those sound good to you Zach?

You think the economy stinks Zach? More people are coming out of the poverty level everyday and more and more people are coming off of welfare.

I'm not for banning all guns. I am for making stronger gun control laws and actually following through on them. That would be the ideal. I own a couple of guns, or actually my dad does. (a .22 calibur and a bb rifle gun) I love going out back and shooting at a target (yeah, I know illegal, I don't want to hear it) or going to a shooting range. Guns can be used for recreation also and it's something I enjoy doing.

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posted 04-06-2000 09:52 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I agree and disagree with both of you. I don't like what the government does but, I would rather live in the U.S. than any other country. I wouldn't call myself a democrat or a reblublican because I don't know what differs them in opinions. Not every law should be thrown to the side but, a lot of laws are oppressive. Plus, I agree with Tom, there are no need for guns.

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amanda
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posted 04-06-2000 09:54 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Uh, whoa. That was weird. Sorry about that twice posting thing.

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tom
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posted 04-06-2000 09:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tom   Click Here to Email tom   AOL Instant Message tom   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Of course communism is the best system in theory but it doesn't work because human nature is to take advantage when given the opportunity to be lazy. I mean, sure... if the world was all Zachs then communism would work but... it's got a lot of lazy bastards who wouldn't contribute in a communist society (even with a non-oppressive leader). For now we've got to use capitalism and I think that if we keep working toward social programs like socialized medicare then we can have a society as good as ideal communism. Conservatives say socialized medicare is bad by giving the example that people in Canada always come to the US for organ donations. Why? Because all those bastardly poor people have just as good of care up there and are using up organs that could go to rich people! Oh no! I think that the radical ideas for changes in government that people like Jello Biafra suggest are unrealistic. For now we have to make capitalism work as best we can. That is why I urge people to vote for Democrats instead of saying that "neither of the parties reflect my views." Neither of them reflect mine either but if we get a Democratic majority in congress and a Democratic president they won't have to pretend to be less liberal. If Democrats consistently get elected as the majority in congress and as president then the idea of "normal" will be moved farther left - making more liberal ideas seem less ... out there.

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 10:03 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
YEAH, thanks for the sarcasm, you're very clever. I'm just dying for a fascist state to break out. Maybe another holocaust, that'd sure hit the spot. America is a fascist state under the guise of a free nation. Your views of anarchy are typical... So all hell would break loose... don't you think if the people in the world were educated, they could rise up against any governmental uprisings? You're missing the true spirit of anarchy. I'm sure people are rising out of poverty everyday. What are the today's statistics. Start a weekly pool to guess how many people crawl out of poverty because someone is exploiting their labor. The cash prizes are well worth the entery fee. The problem with capitalism is, a few people control everything. Sure, lots of people are getting rich, but more still are getting poorer. I don't like facts from tv commercials being hailed as absolute truths and used to defend an entire system.

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Zach
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posted 04-06-2000 10:07 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Zach   Click Here to Email Zach   AOL Instant Message Zach   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Vote 3rd party, just to shake things up... Or vote for yourself. Your vote doesn't matter in a presidential election. Better yet, get elected into the Electoral College and then vote for 3rd party candidates.

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posted 04-06-2000 10:30 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for tom   Click Here to Email tom   AOL Instant Message tom   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
You're right about voting third party to shake things up, Zach. Look at how much attention Jesse Ventura got when he became governor of Minnesota! Of course... I still think we need to push the norm more to the left before attempting any third party revolutions...

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posted 04-07-2000 02:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drane   Click Here to Email drane   AOL Instant Message drane   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
I'd just like to chime in one a few thoughts tom and zach had. I would have liked to bring this while it was going on, but time zones are a bitch.

As Tom said,

"and it doesn't make me very mad that some people live WAAYYY better than me."

I have no problem either if someone is living better than I, as long as I know they worked harder than I did. I don't want someone who steals ideas and denies the profits to the inventor or innovator, and I don't want someone who takes advantages of others to 'strike it rich.'

"don't you think if the people in the world were educated, they could rise up against any governmental uprisings?"

One woman wrote a book about it. It was called [u]The Deliberate Dumbing Down Of America[/u] or [u]...Of America's Children.[/u] It was something similar to that. I heard it in the car on a radio talk show. It was an interesting topic. I have a lot of opinions about education as well. Especially its reform.

As for government, I have very little knowledge of the government and political systems, although it does interest me.

The best and perhaps only way for a Utopian society would have to include a small population with an equal respect being rampant through out the community. Of course there are other factors that could add, but without those two, it would be hard to keep a decent society.

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posted 04-07-2000 02:32 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drane   Click Here to Email drane   AOL Instant Message drane   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Sorry,

"chime in on a few thoughts"

"who takes advantage* of others"

That second quote was from Zach.

Is there no UBB code for 'underline'? I figured thats what it would be, but I guess not.

Normally I reread the post before I submit it, I must have forgotten. My apologies.

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posted 04-07-2000 08:56 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heath   Click Here to Email heath   AOL Instant Message heath   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
you should come to canada, it's way less polluted and we dont get into other country's **** like the us. **** corrupted old america. and tom, it's not cold at all where i live

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amanda
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posted 04-07-2000 11:09 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for amanda   Click Here to Email amanda     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Alright, I am also grateful and have no problems with my dad's money status. He didn't get the job handed down to him. He worked for it. It makes me sick to see all of these rich kids who's daddies buy them mustangs, corvette's and such. The sick thing is, is that most of the rich folks around here we're handed down a business and haven't worked very much a day in their lives. Also, I agree with Chris about stealing ideas and denying it.

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Anne
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posted 04-09-2000 02:58 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Anne     Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Actually there is an area in Canada that is more polluted than the United States because most of the pollution from the Northeast blows over there. :P

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posted 04-09-2000 07:25 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drane   Click Here to Email drane   AOL Instant Message drane   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Canada gets a lot of pollution from American cities like Chicago. If Montana and the Dakotas (mainly North Dakota) had large industrialized cities, Canada would get the pollution also. They get acid rain from Chicago. I hear New Foundland is a beautiful place to visit in Canada. I'd like to visit there one day.

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posted 04-10-2000 05:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for Lowfat Milk   Click Here to Email Lowfat Milk   AOL Instant Message Lowfat Milk   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
lol... Pennywise... lol...

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michael
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posted 04-11-2000 10:52 AM     Click Here to See the Profile for michael   Click Here to Email michael   AOL Instant Message michael   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Since I missed most of the talk about abortion due to the fact that I don't visit this board very often, im going to put in my 2 cents.

I agree with whoever stated that abortion is right if they are raped or something, because it sometimes isn't their fault that they have been raped. On the otherhand, if someone is having unprotected sex and isn't married, then they really have no right to have a abortion. That's what the community say's, but shxt, I don't really care if they do it or not, it's not something that I personally have to deal with.
My girlfriend and I are sexually active, but use protection everytime we have sex. Without it, it would just be stupid. One time, while having sex, the condom broke and we took action right away. Even though it was a spermiside condom which usually kills the spermies right when they touch it, we went to get some pills. I don't know if you would consider that abortion because it was like the next day, and if any spermies actually made it to the egg, it didn't have a chance to actually become a "living" thing yet. Abortion should only be called abortion if the fetus is actually a fetus. Not if it's just a egg with a little tadpoll swimming around in it. Know what I mean.
I know my fact's are a little weird and my posting might sound fxcked up, but I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. Don't hate me for it

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posted 04-11-2000 01:36 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for drane   Click Here to Email drane   AOL Instant Message drane   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
This conversation is actually four days old... maybe three.

The "pills" you mentioned I'm assuming were the same ones I mentioned earlier. The 'after-morning pills.' You described them only as "some pills," but from the rest of the context, they sounded like AM pills. No one really answered me when I asked if they considered that abortion.

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posted 04-11-2000 02:55 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_Charles   Click Here to Email its_Charles   AOL Instant Message its_Charles   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
Well, right now im currently very serious with my girlfreind and i couldnt imagine what i would do if she got pregnant, everyone is always talking about abortion and how wrong it is, but the fact of the matter is if you or your girlfreind was about to have a kid, what would you do? I honestly dont agree with abortion but if my girlfreind got pregnant right now, abortion would probably be the best thing. Why would i want to mess up my girlfreinds life and this childs life? If im going to bring a child into the world im gonna do it the right way and to me thats not living in a cheap ass apartment from pay check to pay check while working 2 fast food jobs right after i sold my kidney on the black market. I have alot to say wehen it comes to people who just say something but dont actually put themself in the situation. Dont get me wrong im sure there are people out there who would honestly not get an abortion no matter how hard like would be, and i hold alot of respect for those people. So i think ive talked enough here so you know how i feel sorry if offended anyone, that wasnt the intent of this post.

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posted 04-11-2000 02:57 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for its_Charles   Click Here to Email its_Charles   AOL Instant Message its_Charles   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
that post goes to the ones that posted about abortion on the first page, i didnt notice the topic was 4 pages long =) sorry bout that

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posted 04-11-2000 03:31 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heath   Click Here to Email heath   AOL Instant Message heath   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
bringing up my age as a point against me is ignorant.

btw i turned 14 like a few months ago.

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posted 04-11-2000 03:38 PM     Click Here to See the Profile for heath   Click Here to Email heath   AOL Instant Message heath   Edit/Delete Message Reply w/Quote
quote:
Originally posted by amanda:
i agree with piff. drane and zach - dont you realize that you are killing your flesh and blood? what if your parents decided, "oh i wanted a girl let's kill the baby." because that's what you are doing. abort is a fancy word for kill, killing is illegal no matter what age. who gives a crap what other people think, it's your baby. you don't base life on other people's happiness. yes, it would be hard telling your mom/dad that you are pregnant at let's say 15, 16 but, it's way harder to imagine yourself killing a living creature inside of your body. there is many adoption agenicies.
it also sounds like from heath's post, he is 13. "i don't know how you can think abortion is wrong. you gotta put yourself in the person's shoes to really have an opinion.
i think if i was like 15 or 16 and i got pregnant (stfu.. it's an example), i wouldn't want to have a child. think of the critisicm you AND your family would take, the neglection of school work and all the time and hard work it takes raising a child. "
none of those are logical reasons to abort a baby. i'm sorry if you didn't want a child to burden your life but, dont get into bed and spread your legs. some of you people are so ignorant i swear. it makes me mad that some of you want to kill a living creature because it isnt convinient on your life, on your families life, because it isn't smart.

if abortion became legal do you morons realize how many people would kill their babies? that's like saying 'go have sex before marriage, abortions legal!'


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I do not think the morning after pills are considered abortion. I'm not Christian and the popular Christian belief is that a child becomes a child the moment it is conceived. I don't think that it becomes a child until it attaches itself to the uterus which takes 7 days. The pills prevent fertilization by delaying the release of the egg or keeps the egg from implanting into the uterus. The pills prevent a woman from ever becoming pregnant at all so I would not consider this abortion. I'm pro-choice though so somebody who is pro-life or Christian may disagree with me.

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