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drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 08:55 PM
    
If I impregnated my girlfriend, or any girl for that matter, I would happily offer to take care of the baby. If she wanted to abort it, I would let her. If she was going to go through with the pregnancy, but didnt know what to do with it, or give it up for adoption, I'd take care of it and be its legal, parental, guardian. Although, the odds of me having a child so young would be impossible. ------------------
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Anne
I33t Posts: 482
From: Moorpark, Ca
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 08:59 PM
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Originally posted by Zach:
[B]Make it known that abortion is "cool". B]
You think abortions are cool Zack? What, do you think it's the hip thing to do? Is it in style to abort a fetus now? If you are pro choice as you seem to be that is not the way to get pro life people to take you seriously or anybody else for that matter. And I think incest is really disgusting. ------------------
*She laughs at my dumb jokes when no one does.*
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Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:01 PM
Yes cheer her on, don't discourage her, if she wants an abortion, let her have it. Every town should have an abortion clinic, or better yet an abortion district. I know I'm going crazy on this, but lets make them readily available, its helps the world.IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:03 PM
NO NOT THE FASHION, BECAUSE ITS OBVIOUSLY NOT. JUST LET THEM KNOW IF THEY WANT TO, GO FOR IT. AS FOR PRO LIFE, THOSE PEOPLE CAN ADOPT ONE OF THE BILLION STARVING KIDS IN THIS WORLD AND NURISH THEM.IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:06 PM
IM NOT COMPARING MYSELF TO HITLER, BUT:his rhetoric was very outrageous, like my abortion statement, and eventually people started going along with what he was saying after the initial shock. Of course, we don't have any inflation to swing the tide in my favor. IP: Logged |
Moorpark Queer
I33t Posts: 50
From: home
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:33 PM
Alright, this subject has gotten pretty interesting... so I think I'll jump in for a bit...I'm all for what Zach's saying. Damn, this world is sooo overpopulated, do we really want more people? I think it's just dandy if a girl wants to have an abortion. Let's say a young girl got an abortion. How many lives would be screwed up because of it? Maybe that fetus, but not like it was actually living anyways. The girl might have a few emotional problems and maybe some one that can't mind their own business.
Now, if she didn't get that abortion, it would screw up a bunch more lives. The girl would be a mess. Prolly wouldn't be able to support the child. The child would live a ****ty life, prolly with no father. Her parents would be in hell cuz she has no money and looks to them to support her and her child. She'd get the guy that got her pregnant involved (and i'm not saying that too much of a bad thing) but he's prolly some punk ass teen that doesn't even have a job and he'd be screwed over too. I think people should be told that abortion isn't a bad thing. I've always been told that abortions are bad and the people that get them are just sick. Well, screw that. I think it's sicker to bring an unwanted child up in this world and not be able to support it. IP: Logged |
Moorpark Queer
I33t Posts: 50
From: home
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:35 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Zach:
AS FOR PRO LIFE, THOSE PEOPLE CAN ADOPT ONE OF THE BILLION STARVING KIDS IN THIS WORLD AND NURISH THEM.
Right on!
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drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 09:56 PM
EXACTLY WHAT I'VE BEEN SAYING.Abortion wrecks one life, at the most.
Raising an unwanted child wrecks 2+ If you think going through with the pregnancy is better than having the abortion, then may I ask: Have you seen (The Broadway Musical) 'Annie'? (Please discard the happy ending, I mentioned it as a reference to life in an orphanage) Adopt some starving Ethiopians, Indoneasians, or if you just have to have a white kid, some Russians. ------------------
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amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 10:12 PM
zach, you are a 15 year old kid who just wants to go with the flow. freedom this, freedom that. everyone do what they want to do. that's a load of crap man. you would not last a day in the world of freedom. chris, how can you say i'm christian? i'm sure that you are not against everything christians believe in. nobody is completely against ALL of the beliefs. plus, chris there are more religions than christian. you keep basing all of your statements on be not knowing my religion and i am christian. that's bogus chris and you know it. chris, "Abortion wrecks one life, at the most. Raising an unwanted child wrecks 2+" THEN DON'T GET INTO BED. THAT IS THE MAIN POINT. if you dont want your life wrecked don't have sex before you are ready to except responsbility. why wreck any life at all?
anne, everything you say is right by my opinion. :] i have to ask all of you a question who agree with abortion. do you agree with the death penalty? trust me, it's relavent. IP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 10:17 PM
chris i didn't want it to make it seem like men didn't know the value. i just think it's a lot harder for a girl to give up a child than a guy. the guy doesn't know what it's like to have a living creature inside them.anne and i are the only ones actually going against abortion in this forum. (the only females) and by the way, before the second trimaster, the fetus is formed. when the fetus is formed. that is my definition for murder. IP: Logged |
Gearhead
Newbie Posts: 13
From: Moorpark, CA USA
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-05-2000 11:04 PM
First to ZACH,Not to say your an idiot... but, as for your comment made on 04-05-00, it is called the Oedipus Complex, was thought up by a man called Sigmund Freud, who in today's psychology field is considered to be quite sexist in his attempts to explain the human behavior. On another note, simply by saying that it(Oedipus Complex) is a "natural" thing, does it make it right? Murder is very natural, does it still make it right in most cases? Think before you speak, and then know what your talking about. Your comments are appreciated, and this site serves as an open forum for such queries, but let us all keep our opinions educated and with some dignity. And then to all those... Those of you who have mentioned that having an abortion at an earlier stage in the pregnancy being OKAY, seem to be misunderstanding something. Your reasoning that a late term abortion is more like a baby and an early stage abortion is merely killing cells. What do you think that those cells will become, a bird, a duck, a pig? DUH! The fetus of a human can only become a HUMAN! SOME OF YOU HAVE BROUGHT UP AN INTELLIGENT DISCUSSION. It is called overpopulation. Do any of you have a clue to the aspects of such a topic? Many people have said that this is the reason for hunger, decreased health care, plus many other interesting controversies. PUSH ON IP: Logged |
drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 01:49 PM
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chris i didn't want it to make it seem like men didn't know the value. i just think it's a lot harder for a girl to give up a child than a guy. the guy doesn't know what it's like to have a living creature inside them.
The way you talk about how precious this unborn child is, it's odd you'd call it a 'creature.' quote:
anne and i are the only ones actually going against abortion in this forum. (the only females)
Isn't Moorpark Queer female? Didnt I see her being refered to as 'Diana' at one time on the board? She was for abortion. quote:
and by the way, before the second trimaster, the fetus is formed. when the fetus is formed. that is my definition for murder.
Please re-word that. You just said muder was the forming of a fetus. quote:
chris, how can you say i'm christian? i'm sure that you are not against everything christians believe in. nobody is completely against ALL of the beliefs. plus, chris there are more religions than christian. you keep basing all of your statements on be not knowing my religion and i am christian. that's bogus chris and you know it.
If you believed in reincarnation and thought eating other animals was wrong, I'd call you Buddhist. ALL of my statements? I made plenty that were not related to religion or to you at all. Maybe one was about you being Christian. You think everyone is against you. You think all my posts are against you and you only. They are towards the idea of abortion. It's a discussion, not a personal attack on you. quote:
chris, "Abortion wrecks one life, at the most. Raising an unwanted child wrecks 2+"THEN DON'T GET INTO BED. THAT IS THE MAIN POINT. if you dont want your life wrecked don't have sex before you are ready to except responsbility. why wreck any life at all?
That's like saying: "To stop famine, start eating." Or better yet: "To stop car accidents, drive carefully." It's similar to the answer you get from a first grader. quote:
i have to ask all of you a question who agree with abortion. do you agree with the death penalty? trust me, it's relavent.
They're relevant, but not by much. Abortion is preventing the birth of an unwanted child. Capital punishment is the taking of a life as punishment to an individual. "trust me, it's relavent." You're not known for being very trustworthy either. (Yes, that was a personal attack.) ------------------
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silver
I33t Posts: 62
From: Dallas,tx,usa
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 02:56 PM
ok, I have 1 thing to say here, it may sound dumb but if you think about it, its true in a way. The reason people feel that having sex with a family member is "wrong" is because of todays standards and morals. What people in general think is right and wrong. Animals have sex with their own kin because they have pretty much no "morals" or sense for what is right and wrong. The animal kingdom may not have the same power or ability to think as we do but thats not the point im attempting to make.IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 03:02 PM
The argument was just that its a natural impulse, not that it was right. The argument was mearly that it doesn't hurt people if they are consenting. Murder hurts people. Amanda, what the **** are you saying... Freedom isn't going with the flow. If it were "the flow" then we'd live in a free society. Also, how would I not last in a world of freedom. There arent people lining up all around to "off" me. Secondly, the world of freedom I'm striving for is a society without killing or violence. You seem to be one the of the stereotype skater-punk posers who have this psuedoanarchist picture in your head of a world of mass destruction, fire, murder, and total choas. The true anarchist society is one of piece where all work together for a common goal, the betterment of the world. Last time I checked, you were 15 or 16, I don't see how an extra year brings on some dawning comprehension I have somehow not been a recepient of.IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 03:06 PM
Also, animals have sex with kin, and they've managed to survive for millions of years before we were even on earth. Animals have lived, and thrived, despite a lack of christian morals. I'm not saying the human race would be better if we screwed relatives, It just isn't right to take away people's freedom.IP: Logged |
tom
X-tra I33t Posts: 383
From: Ultima Online
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 03:56 PM
quote:
Originally posted by Gearhead:
Your reasoning that a late term abortion is more like a baby and an early stage abortion is merely killing cells. What do you think that those cells will become, a bird, a duck, a pig? DUH! The fetus of a human can only become a HUMAN!
Is that why Christians are against masturbation? Because all the sperm that is wasted could have become a baby? ROFL. I'd like to see some Christians preaching not to waste sperm because it could become a human.
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amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 03:59 PM
ok let me apologize for making so many grammar errors. i was just typing fast. chris, ok let me defend my posts. "Isn't Moorpark Queer female? Didnt I see her being refered to as 'Diana' at one time on the board? She was for abortion." from some of the comments she has made about stalking and such. i didn't take her seriously. sorry. quote:
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- and by the way, before the second trimaster, the fetus is formed. when the fetus is formed. that is my definition for murder.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "Please re-word that. You just said muder was the forming of a fetus." ok sorry. i was trying to state that the fetus is formed before the second trimaster. so, when the fetus is formed and you abort it. that is killing a child. "ALL of my statements? I made plenty that were not related to religion or to you at all. Maybe one was about you being Christian." i just meant all the statements you have made about religion were based on calling me a christian. "That's like saying: "To stop famine, start eating." Or better yet: "To stop car accidents, drive carefully." It's similar to the answer you get from a first grader. " i don't need big words to get my point across. it's simple enough to understand.
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tom
X-tra I33t Posts: 383
From: Ultima Online
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:00 PM
Zach, you're so right about Mandy being a skating poser-punk. There are so many kids like that. How can you listen to punk music and not agree with us?LEGALIZE INCEST AND BESTIALITY (that's how it's spelled, no a). IP: Logged |
Moorpark Queer
I33t Posts: 50
From: home
Registered: Mar 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:07 PM
I AM FEMALE! Hear me Roar!
If you don't believe, and I hope you people do now, go to my site: http://playplace.cjb.net, look under Roxxane...IP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:28 PM
so tom, everyone that listens to punk music agrees with you? i agree with you two when you say 'there isn't enough freedom' that is so true. i hate our government.
you people don't know me, you know me through aol. i don't consider myself a skate-poser punk kid or whatever. zach and tom, you just stereotyped me.. i do not smoke weed or drink. i do not skate anymore. i listen to punk but, i don't claim as being a punk rocker. i don't wear nike's or adidas's or go along with any fad. i may not meet up with both of your standards but, i am not such a bad person. tom, i didn't know christians were against masturbation. now that's ignorant because you know damn well they masturbate. IP: Logged |
drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:36 PM
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i don't need big words to get my point across. it's simple enough to understand.
Once I realized that was the best defense you could come up with, I felt like shooting myself. Just knowing that you considered that a defense, is reason enough. ------------------
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tom
X-tra I33t Posts: 383
From: Ultima Online
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:41 PM
The Bible is against masturbation. It says something like... if you look at a woman with lust you've already committed fornication. I guess they think that is something that can be controlled.OK Mandy... you say you don't go along with fads but... just a few weeks ago you were into skating and now you're not. That's the definition of trendy. I never said that everyone that listens to punk agrees with me. Most people who listen to punk are posers like you. In fact... a great many bands are posers (in my eyes... although I like a lot of them). You say you agree with us that there isn't enough freedom...but in what areas? You've seen our opinions on where the government makes oppressive laws but... what laws are you against? IP: Logged |
tom
X-tra I33t Posts: 383
From: Ultima Online
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:45 PM
I foresee an argument against the statement I just made. When I said that the government makes oppressive laws... I know that laws like state propositions have to be passed by citizens but most of the major laws are made by Congress. AANNDD... most of the major laws were made a loonnggg time ago (not by the present government) but I'd still like to see the current government take action to get rid of unnecessary oppressive laws.IP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:49 PM
the only reason i quit skating was because 1. i wasn't good at it and 2. because it's summer and i don't like bruises all over my legs. i know i am going to get made fun of this but, i listen to punk.. yes but i listen to emo. and don't try to say that's a fad because nobody out here listens to emo. music isn't all my life anyway. i dislike our government so much. that's why i was a fan of the book 1984 because that is what we are going to be like in the future if we let the government control out lives. there is a lot of laws i disagree with. the law against voting at 18. it should be based on iq, in my opinion. anybody 18 or older can vote with or without a brain. i disagree with our school systems. the economy itself pisses me off. IP: Logged |
drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 04:57 PM
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i agree with you two when you say 'there isn't enough freedom' that is so true. i hate our government.
YOU LIE YOU LIE YOU ****ING LIE. I can't believe you actually said that. You will fabricate anything in the world to make people like you. No one knows what you are like offline because you tell everyone seperate stories online. And you act like you've done nothing when people retaliate their anger on you in humility. quote:
tom, i didn't know christians were against masturbation. now that's ignorant because you know damn well they masturbate.
So you're that you masturbate. And since we know 'damn well' that even the religious folk do it, what makes you less liable? You like to throw that 'ignorant' word around don't you. It used on you so much you have no idea what it means. ------------------
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amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:01 PM
chris, i have never once said anything to you or anyone else my views on the government. i agree with someone on something. is that so hard to believe? i don't care if tom or zach doesn't like me. they mean nothing to me but, aol friends who will never affect me in my life ahead. IP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:02 PM
So you're that you masturbate? what the hellIP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:04 PM
by the way chris. you, yourself are ignorant about some things. ignorant doesn't me stupid. i don't know everything about abortion. either do you. than we are both ignorant.IP: Logged |
drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:10 PM
State your view on the economy and school system.------------------
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brymaster
Moderator Posts: 102
From: Niles, MI, 49120
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:16 PM
quote:
Originally posted by amanda:
the law against voting at 18. it should be based on iq, in my opinion. anybody 18 or older can vote with or without a brain.
Amanda:
You are the biggest idiot I know. One reason for the voting age set at 18 is because our electoral college and government doesn't believe a minor's vote is worth anything because they are moronic and uneducated, much like yourself. The idea is that adults can understand the proposals of the politicians and hopefully vote for the best one. Why would you want a 12-year-old or someone "without a brain" to vote? It's totally pointless. You're an idiot. Get a clue. Also, do you know how to capitalize? It's pointless to use periods but not capitalize the beginning letter at the start of a sentence. Idiot.
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drane
I33t Posts: 178
From: Towson, MD
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:23 PM
I meant "so you're saying you masturbate." You could have concluded that by the context.No **** 'ignorant' doesn't mean 'stupid', you're the one who used it meaning stupid. "now that's ignorant because you know damn well they masturbate." YOU said it. Not I. ------------------
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amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:41 PM
Sorry, Bryan. I forgot I was graded on my grammar.IP: Logged |
amanda
I33t Posts: 102
From: clovis
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:54 PM
im going to quit posting now. nobody accepts my opinions. i don't know anything. IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:56 PM
Amanda, you are the biggest self-contradictor on the planet. You want laws regulating things like abortion, but then you state that you hate the US government and oppression. What the fvck do you think abortion laws are... any law for that matter. We need more freedom you say, but this is after telling me that freedom is demented. Emo not being a trend... You copied online people with the emo listening like Justin and Garrett. How do you think you got into punk in the first place, can we say trend? You used to listen to Limp Bizkit and the Venga Boys (trendy music). I doubt you truly understood the meaning of 1984... It is not a tale of the future United States, its the UK (anyone who read it picks that up). Orwell was from the UK, he never lived in the United States. I do doubt that you even listen to real punk music... Pennywise...IP: Logged |
Zach
Seamstress Posts: 117
From: Moorpark
Registered: Feb 2000
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posted 04-06-2000 05:59 PM
I also know that it was meant as a warning to the world (1984), but it was mainly directed to the UK.IP: Logged |
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